Holdbacks in jeopardy

**gcdevil22** · May 24th, 2006, 02:37 AM

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**imported_Counts** · May 24th, 2006, 08:35 AM

Preatty sure it is a date August 1st or Sept 1st I know you can find it on the VHSL page (just not going there to look it up just yet)

Any word on when this would go into effect (I know it will not affect kids that have already held back just wondering on what the faze in period would be)

**pvfan** · May 24th, 2006, 04:24 PM

Holding back makes no sense to me, except in some rare circumstance in which a child is barley passing school should it be done imo. If your smart enough to graduate high school with enough credits to be a Sophomore in college just because you held back that's a waste imo. I've learned more about life in the past year than I have the rest of my life. I honestly think that is because I was in college and lived on campus around different types of people. I graduated high school with 17 college credits and did not hold back I know others that graduated with me who had enough credits to be a sophmore. So, using my class as an example had the PV class of 05 held back and graduated this year you would have I would say 75% of honor students with college credit and around 50% of those with enough credits to be a sophomre. Now, your telling me that those people are kids? Seems to me there adults especially at age 19, and from the athletic standpoint there is no doubt in my mind that in that scenario that PV wouldn't have won a State Title in Football at least, maybe Baseball. The Football team would have returned every player but one and would have defeated the actual state champ by over 30 points. The baseball team would return every player and would be coming off a trip to the final four. So, as I've stated on here numerous times holding back is unfair to other athletes that compete against them and is unfair to have a child miss out on life experiences they normally would've gained from college.

May 24th, 2006, 05:56 PM

You want to stop it country wide. Develop a system that works for all states.
You simply say a child will not participate in sports, if they will turn 19 after August 1st. You are no longer considered age eligible for highschool sports.
Make that national and you end holding back, at any level in school.
And the only exception is medical. Which comes from a certified member of the AMA.
If it is a national rule. That stops holding back.
Pure simple and to the point. Other than a medical holdback.

**imported_xcoach** · May 24th, 2006, 06:32 PM

The date is August 1..if you are 19 before that date you are ineligible. This should be a parental decision. This has been going on for 25 years in the LPD just not as much as some schools are trying now. Wise county has been allowing some schools to do it but not others.......

May 24th, 2006, 06:36 PM

Well that is one way to end. Mandatory cut off by age.
I don't care who is doing it. What ever county.
Want it stopped once and for all. That is the way to stop it.
VA or any state. That will stop it in it's tracks.
Mandatory nationwide.
All i want to do now, is hear the reasons, why this won't work?

May 24th, 2006, 07:08 PM

I disagree, you can go to college at anytime. 19, 20, 21 etc. You cannot go back to highschool. There are many things in college I do not think "highschool" kids are ready to handle. The amount of responsibility especially in the academic realm, the social realm is a monster with initself. How many kids go to college and flunk out or do so poorly they spend the next 2 years just recovering. I think that an extra year where a kid may be able to take some dual enrollment classes coupled with highschool classes benefit more than say a rough first semester or year in college.

Thats just me though.

**imported_MoonlightGraham** · May 24th, 2006, 07:13 PM

crazy idea, instead of worryin bout all this garbage why don't we join the rest of the nation in 21st century and allow sports:

1. more than 18 regular season games in baseball (we are the only southern state who does this). Every other state plays atleast 30.
2. allow spring football practice (again both Ky and Tn do this).

May 24th, 2006, 07:17 PM

Ok now Bray, here we go, with why some want kids to hold back.
Because some are not ready.
No we aren't going there.
We want this ended. Once and for all. No holdback allowed within the US. For any reason.
It's not feasible and it's not good. We have seen where it is killing us.
From athletics to academics.
Here is the way to end it.
And im sure if VA's coaches and others start the national trend. Others will follow.

**imported_MoonlightGraham** · May 24th, 2006, 08:19 PM

how can someone not get heldback for academics? you have to fail kids who are doing poorly and are not mentally ready for the next grade.

and as long as you can fail a grade, athletes will find ways to hold back. at kelly when I held back, we jus didn't think our finals or a few other tests. the rest of the work we turned in. in fact our valedvictorian held back for sports orginally but his senior year, didn't play anything.

Every school in our current district holds kids back except PV and Clintwood. The very mention of the word holding back will get you 5 days in school suspension. Coeburns does, Burton does it, Pound and Appy has done it (not as much), Kelly does it but not as much as everyone thinks and Gate City invited it.